Curse

legion_rat · Apr 09, 2007, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Sorry MS isnt that important. Its good yes, it does alot of damage, but there are other skills such as searing flames, that do massive amounts of damage. My ele-hero has MS but i never equip it. One it has a high cost, two it causes exaustion,three heros suck at echo nuking which is what MS is best at. I do no think it should be core.

As far as factions being a expansion and not having good skills. Then why do rits do so well? Why do people bitch about assassins killing to fast. Eles might not have got as much love as they needed but several other proffs did. Spend the 20 bucks get proph unlock MS in pvp and then map to LA. simple. No major grind.

~the rat~

on the other hand i have MS on my sin and nuke well with it.

EternalTempest · Apr 09, 2007, 02:53 PM // 14:53

As a flame ele, from Tryia, I consider Meteor Shower as part of my main build.
I've adapted over time, away from "echo nuker" to what I like to call "burst" (fireball, phoenix, etc) and Glyph of Elemental Attunement -> Glyph of Energy (Elite) as primary energy management.

I never did get in to the Searing Flames / Sand Storm builds, I found my "burst" build is a nice effective general purpose build in Nightfall.

To nightfall players, I imagine it's hard to think about playing without Searing Flames / SandStorm builds and you could flip the meteor shower argument and make them SF/SS "core" skills.

The other thing with Meteor Shower is at various times it went to Awesome, to hard to use based on how AOE effects Monsters. At first it was devastating, then you had to rely on slowing them down or corning them... only 1 or 2 would hit before they flee, to the "current" aoe where it's the closet to the original "stand while it's raining death".

Prophecies is also know hitting the $20 mark and is getting pretty cheap.

Darth Kukulkan · Apr 09, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

/NOT SIGNED
Meteor shower is for dumbass, learn to play with another spell, and you can be usefull to your group even without this crappy spell -_-
Thank the Emperor not all Eles are like you, we would really be ridiculous, the true eles

Anna Ryan · Apr 09, 2007, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Quote:

any monster in any other chapter DOES NOT HAVE meteor shower. so you don't need it either.

Oh really ? Check the Tortureweb Dryders in the Gate of Pain

Kool Kirby · Apr 09, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Kukulkan

/NOT SIGNED
Meteor shower is for dumbass, learn to play with another spell, and you can be usefull to your group even without this crappy spell -_-
Thank the Emperor not all Eles are like you, we would really be ridiculous, the true eles

You don't think I know that? Pfft. You try explaining that to 95% of the rest of the GW population than I'll post that this thread should be locked/deleted.

And that goes for everyone else. You may think you may be 1337 and say "oh MS sucks", but 95% of the GW population will laugh at you, pros and noobs alike, ESPECIALLY in high areas. I shouldn't have to pay $20 just to participate in the higher areas like urgoz and the deep.

And I'm sure Anet knew that. Imho, maybe I'm asking for too much, and I should rather be saying that all stupid factions ele skills be buffed. I mean, let me give you a few stupid examples:

1. Double Dragon. A totally useless elite. PBAoE and does as much as fireball, and then again the same damage after two seconds, and its adjacent. 15 energy and THIRTY second cooldown. Give me a break. How idiotic is that? Looks good on paper, but fails in practicality.

2. Breath of Fire: Targets an area and deals damage to adjacent foes for five second. Just a 5 second but more powerful fire storm. 5 ener and THIRTY SECONDS cooldown.

3. Lightning hammer: Same as lightning orb except it isn't a projectile, and for this you pay 10 more energy. It has 1 second less recharge though.

Zaz Xax · Apr 09, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

my monk cant get Gift of Health because its a Faction-skill. Make it a core spell!!
And please dont tell me that it isnt an importent spell.

You see, a lot of spells are VERY importent as soon as you cant have them :P

Guardian of the Light · Apr 09, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39

I got a better idea lets nerf Meteor shower

Seriously though you can work around not having Meteor shower. If anyone doesn't let you in then thats a pretty good sign that they you don't want to be in that group anyway.

Osi Ri S · Apr 09, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

[FONT="Book Antiqua"]I must say, Meteor Shower used to be pretty key to many PvE Elementalist builds. However, nowadays, you can do much more damage in the same amount of time in a much more efficient manner just by spamming Searing Flames. Yes, you lose the three knockdowns from Meteor Shower (which the mobs can run out of anyway), but you gain a few hundred damage, and you come out of a battle with no exhaustion whatsoever, without having to rely on another skill to offset that particular downside (I personally say that's a more than fair trade-off). Searing Flames is far superior to Meteor Shower, but then again, that should be expected of an Elite spell.

Try to outdamage 2 Ki's in DoA with just spamming SF (assuming youre using 3 eles) ive seen it tried and failed. Now if the 3 eles use MS the Ki's are made quick work of. (The knockdowns are what make MS a staple for Ele builds.) But it all depends on the situation, although i havent seen a High end-endgame area where eles dont carry MS. For example i went in The Deep a while back and every ele had MS, but not one of em had Searing Flames, MS is just more of a staple than SF is.

Shadow Kurd · Apr 09, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

/not signed
pay the 20$ do the quest "Chaos in Kryta" and unlock it in LA

You don't hear monks that don't have Nightfall saying ZB should be moved to core or necros that don't have Prophecies saying SS should be moved to core.

Fender · Apr 10, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

People still use meteor shower?
/notsigned

Evilsod · Apr 10, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

By who, exactly? The legions of people who don't know how to properly execute quick and efficient battle? Please don't say such things, as many people will disagree with you, possibly backing their statements up with factual information.

/sigh (note: expression of distaste, not signature of approval, for those who are reading impared)

I must say, Meteor Shower used to be pretty key to many PvE Elementalist builds. However, nowadays, you can do much more damage in the same amount of time in a much more efficient manner just by spamming Searing Flames. Yes, you lose the three knockdowns from Meteor Shower (which the mobs can run out of anyway), but you gain a few hundred damage, and you come out of a battle with no exhaustion whatsoever, without having to rely on another skill to offset that particular downside (I personally say that's a more than fair trade-off). Searing Flames is far superior to Meteor Shower, but then again, that should be expected of an Elite spell.

That being said, Meteor Shower being moved to the Core set of skill doesn't seem like it'd be a real problem, other than a possibly insignificant loss of profits... However, as I see no reason for the move to be made, and encourage diversity in builds as opposed to "Bring X or don't play at all", I will not sign this particular petition.

I'll just assume you've never actually been in DoA. A Margonite Anur Ki could powerheal through Searing Flames for an eternity without letting up. Meteor Shower isn't just a knockdown every 3 seconds, its an extra 3 rounds of damage, cast by 2 eles you get a possible near constant knockdown and a massive increase in damage if you then spam Searing Flames...

Aside from MS still been useful in some areas its obviously not that vital... but as elite areas go, it is!

Tbh i think the only reason they made Meteor Shower Prophecies only is to force ele's to buy Prophecies.

Whisper Evenstar · Apr 10, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

/notsigned

wow, this thread is lasting much longer than it should....

mortis corpus · Apr 10, 2007, 06:33 PM // 18:33

acually i have to say /notsigned on this one, i have all 3 and if metor shower became a core skill so it be unlocked anywhere whats next cause someone doesnt have a particular game, then there going to beg for there skill as core, phophecies is cheep go buy it add it and unlock it.

Esprit · Apr 10, 2007, 08:18 PM // 20:18

/notsigned

Meteor Shower is nice, but has limited use if you want it to be worth the energy, the cast time, and the exhaustion. It should not be made core so you can get into a DoA group or wherever it's needed to destroy a large group of enemies at once.

Master Ketsu · Apr 10, 2007, 08:20 PM // 20:20

/notsigned.

If Anet gives you your favorite skill, then others will start whining for their favorite skill to be made core.
Just buy prophecies like the rest of us.

Can this thread die now ?

Thomas.knbk · Apr 10, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

MS kinda sucks.
How about making CRUSHING BLOW core? It's the frekin only way to inflict a deep wound with a hammer warrior.